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18/11/2016 07:29:50

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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I woke up and decided to check the forum today... and this happened.
I hate to see people leave so quickly like this, but you can't change the past so we have to keep moving on. Everyone in this thread has made positive impacts on the community over the years and I wish you all the best.
I'll be around if anyone needs me (Probably editing the Wiki to make copyright clearer), but I imagine the forum will be quiet for a while.
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18/11/2016 11:11:32

PCollimonsterExperimental user
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Hi Everyone,


It's Paul here from Muvizu HQ. I have recently been working with our QA department in regards to a number of copyright infringement notifications we have received for assets sold within the Muvizu marketplace.


These notifications have been received from the IP owners of the original assets who had originally posted the assets for free on various sites. We have removed all questioned assets in accordance with the IP owners requests.


To clarify a couple of points when selling assets on the marketplace.


1) Ensure all models and textures are 100% original works.
2) Do not repurpose models or textures obtained from third-party sites such as the Unity Store and Sketch-up unless you have written permission from the original IP owner.


If you have used a free model or texture from a third-party site and it is clearly stated that the model or texture can be used under a creative commons license, then the model or texture is fine to post for free as long as the original IP owner is credited. Any assets obtained under a creative commons license can not be sold on the Muvizu marketplace.


Any Muvizu user who has posted content that has been flagged as potential copyright infringement will have their account suspended and assets removed, whilst we investigate the situation.






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18/11/2016 12:20:11

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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Posts: 400
Speedking5 wrote:
clayster2012 wrote:
tonyob67 wrote:
Clay...
Do not go, you are more useful in this forum than those who judge you, they are only 2 and one is gone, I bought some of your sets with my prize and I do not bother, if you noticed that you were doing something wrong Without knowing it for me there is no problem, you have helped me a lot and I thank you ... You have a great boy, you have to be a great father, congratulations. If you get to leave the forum tell me if you have your own forum to join me


Aww..Geeze!


Yeah Please dont delete your account. Alot of us like you and


You have already said what you had to say about it.



I don't want you to leave as well Clay. Thumbs Up When you boil it all down, Muvizu is a filmmaking thing, not a 3D modelling thing. Discussions here have concentrated towards the making of models as opposed to making films. (Mind you, I really did not mind, it helps others who are not so knowledgeable in that area). I'm kind of surprised how much others have gotten sooooo butthurt over this.
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18/11/2016 16:17:17

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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Posts: 651
bigwally wrote:
Speedking5 wrote:
clayster2012 wrote:
tonyob67 wrote:
Clay...
Do not go, you are more useful in this forum than those who judge you, they are only 2 and one is gone, I bought some of your sets with my prize and I do not bother, if you noticed that you were doing something wrong Without knowing it for me there is no problem, you have helped me a lot and I thank you ... You have a great boy, you have to be a great father, congratulations. If you get to leave the forum tell me if you have your own forum to join me


Aww..Geeze!


Yeah Please dont delete your account. Alot of us like you and


You have already said what you had to say about it.



I don't want you to leave as well Clay. Thumbs Up When you boil it all down, Muvizu is a filmmaking thing, not a 3D modelling thing. Discussions here have concentrated towards the making of models as opposed to making films. (Mind you, I really did not mind, it helps others who are not so knowledgeable in that area). I'm kind of surprised how much others have gotten sooooo butthurt over this.

Your right, Ok I'm staying, but I'm starting over on everything, I'm glad that I have such loyal friends, thanks for standing beside me everyone it really dose mean a lot (I'M STAYING!)
edited by clayster2012 on 18/11/2016
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18/11/2016 16:33:37

tonyob67
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I'm staying also, so lets get our videos ready for the Chistmas contest!!!
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18/11/2016 16:33:57

DreekoMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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Posts: 1258
Hey guys! I've not been here for a while what's been happening?.. (reads the rest of the thread)
Ah, ok..


Bye then!

D
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18/11/2016 16:51:55

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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Posts: 651
Seems Like I have a lot of work to do to brink back the trust, and some new blood to this forum, most of all make muvizu more exiting to everyone and to my friends here!

I need another video....hmmm..something different..something that will show endless limits to the capabilities of what muvizu can really do,maybe a sci-fi with monster effects, need ideas here!

anybody smell rubber burning?
edited by clayster2012 on 18/11/2016
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18/11/2016 16:54:17

DreekoMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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I don't see the problem. These things were only sold second hand. Think of the Muvizu store as a Gumtree for 3d stuff lol!
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18/11/2016 17:01:17

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
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Dreeko wrote:
I don't see the problem. These things were only sold second hand. Think of the Muvizu store as a Gumtree for 3d stuff lol!

I've seen these models advertised on the forum many times, and haven't once noticed anything about them not being Clayster's own work.
Some of the apology seems a tad insincere or feigned to me, but I imagine that's simply down to the words he's used to explain himself.
However, it's clear Clayster was a bit naive about the whole situation, and he's taught anyone who reads this thread a valuable lesson.
I hope nobody else makes the same mistakes.
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18/11/2016 17:02:47

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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Dreeko wrote:
I don't see the problem. These things were only sold second hand. Think of the Muvizu store as a Gumtree for 3d stuff lol!

I'm glad you see it that way Dreeko, their at first I thought you was leaving to, glad your still here!
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18/11/2016 17:16:06

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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Posts: 651
MrDrWho13 wrote:
Dreeko wrote:
I don't see the problem. These things were only sold second hand. Think of the Muvizu store as a Gumtree for 3d stuff lol!

I've seen these models advertised on the forum many times, and haven't once noticed anything about them not being Clayster's own work.
Some of the apology seems a tad insincere or feigned to me, but I imagine that's simply down to the words he's used to explain himself.
However, it's clear Clayster was a bit naive about the whole situation, and he's taught anyone who reads this thread a valuable lesson.
I hope nobody else makes the same mistakes.


Thanks but it was just the Fantasy packs, anyways lets let this topic die, I'll restart another coming soon topic.
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18/11/2016 17:25:05

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1742
Dreeko wrote:
I don't see the problem. These things were only sold second hand. Think of the Muvizu store as a Gumtree for 3d stuff lol!


Contrary to some comments made in this thread, I think Digimania and the people of the forum DO take copyright seriously. We all agreed on the copyright issues, most of the discussion was about how it was handled, and whether or not Clayster acted with full knowledge of the licensing .

The good news is that Digimania removed all offending items from the store... plus, some people (myself included) have voluntarily removed items that came from Sketchup. The store should be clean today. It was a good thing to have this wakeup call. Now we need to KEEP it clean.

Going forward I think we'll see more focus on making our own models and less focus on importing existing models. We really need to be looking at making our own music too.

FWIW, Copyright law extends to characters, which are the intellectual property of their creators. All the stories about comic characters, movie & TV characters, and any video that rips sound tracks from movies... all that is equally not OK.

In my opinion the forum culture should steadfastly advocate and reinforce the practice of originality in all things... music, characters, models, stories

My 2 cents... more on this later
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18/11/2016 18:20:14

tonyob67
tonyob67
Posts: 214
PatMarrNC wrote:
Dreeko wrote:
I don't see the problem. These things were only sold second hand. Think of the Muvizu store as a Gumtree for 3d stuff lol!


Contrary to some comments made in this thread, I think Digimania and the people of the forum DO take copyright seriously. We all agreed on the copyright issues, most of the discussion was about how it was handled, and whether or not Clayster acted with full knowledge of the licensing .

The good news is that Digimania removed all offending items from the store... plus, some people (myself included) have voluntarily removed items that came from Sketchup. The store should be clean today. It was a good thing to have this wakeup call. Now we need to KEEP it clean.

Going forward I think we'll see more focus on making our own models and less focus on importing existing models. We really need to be looking at making our own music too.

FWIW, Copyright law extends to characters, which are the intellectual property of their creators. All the stories about comic characters, movie & TV characters, and any video that rips sound tracks from movies... all that is equally not OK.

In my opinion the forum culture should steadfastly advocate and reinforce the practice of originality in all things... music, characters, models, stories

My 2 cents... more on this later



I agree. But I do not think there is any problem in sharing models with other forum members with external links, or importing models from any modeling program if we use them in our own videos or we share them without economic benefit with other members as they do in other forums, without putting them At the muvizu store...Just to help others, am I wrong?
edited by tonyob67 on 18/11/2016
edited by tonyob67 on 18/11/2016
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18/11/2016 18:26:36

DreekoMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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Looks like I've been away so long that folks don't recognise when I'm joking. Ah well back into the shadows I go...

But before I do can I just say that you can make really good toons with only a couple of characters. You don't need loads of different objects. Concentrate on writing quality and then start tooning
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18/11/2016 18:32:06

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1742
I agree. But I do not think there is any problem in sharing models with other forum members with external links, or importing models from any modeling program if we use them in our own videos or we share them without economic benefit with other members as they do in other forums, without putting them At the muvizu store...Just to help others, am I wrong?

Based on my understanding of the Sketchup General Model License, I think you are correct. As long as they don't end up in a repository from which they can be downloaded while bypassing Sketchup's control.

Good point. You should be able to convert Sketchup models for your own use all day long.
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18/11/2016 18:37:58

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Dreeko wrote:
But before I do can I just say that you can make really good toons with only a couple of characters. You don't need loads of different objects. Concentrate on writing quality and then start tooning

Yes, this is exactly what I've been saying about Muvizu for years. It's built perfectly for silly little sketches.
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18/11/2016 18:46:49

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1742
Dreeko wrote:
Looks like I've been away so long that folks don't recognise when I'm joking. Ah well back into the shadows I go...

But before I do can I just say that you can make really good toons with only a couple of characters. You don't need loads of different objects. Concentrate on writing quality and then start tooning
edited by Dreeko on 18/11/2016


Dreeko, please accept my apology if I misinterpreted you. It's been a tense thread, and I think we're all on guard right now. I have great respect for you and your videos... and your advice about simplicity coupled with good writing.. that perfectly summarizes the appeal of your work. In my opinion your projects have consistently been textbook examples of succinct writing and well-timed execution. I have never watched a Dreeko video without being amazed by how good it is.
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18/11/2016 19:00:33

tonyob67
tonyob67
Posts: 214
MrDrWho13 wrote:
Dreeko wrote:
But before I do can I just say that you can make really good toons with only a couple of characters. You don't need loads of different objects. Concentrate on writing quality and then start tooning

Yes, this is exactly what I've been saying about Muvizu for years. It's built perfectly for silly little sketches.


I agree, but in my particular case, I want to make better quality sketches every time, like for example the videos of Rod Silva, and for that, you need objects and different things, according to the story that you are working on, to build your set, things you can not find in the muvizu store. I think I am going to star building my own toon city using the primitive shapes which ikes very kindly shared, I will like to learn how to model, but I'd rather spend my time making videos
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