Would you like an official Muvizu competition?

Yes with content packs/Muvizu credit as a prize: 12
Yes with a physical prize: 7
Yes with no prize: 1
No (It would be interesting to hear why): 1
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15/06/2016 14:37:41

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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MrDrWho13 wrote:

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...
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15/06/2016 15:23:40

toonaramaMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:

I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...


Muvizu is a blessing and a curse and we are watching, interminably watching.......and waiting......
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15/06/2016 15:42:41

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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toonarama wrote:
PatMarrNC wrote:

I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...


Muvizu is a blessing and a curse and we are watching, interminably watching.......and waiting......


LOL!
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15/06/2016 16:51:15

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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PatMarrNC wrote:
MrDrWho13 wrote:

I'm not sure if I can come up with anything for this first one, especially with the high minimum time and forbidden external music , but I'll see if I can muster something up.


I'd be totally disappointed if you didn't submit something! In fact, I'll be disappointed if this doesn't draw all the moguls out of hiding! It's mogul-quality stuff we all want to see...


I waived that part, and updated the rules
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15/06/2016 16:52:39

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Yep, thanks for that. I think I have an idea now, so let's see how far that gets.

Edit: I'm linking the competition here for archive purposes: http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5749-make-me-laugh--comedy-competition.aspx?p=f#post30899
edited by MrDrWho13 on 15/06/2016
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20/07/2016 20:37:30

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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soooooo... which mogul will be hosting the next contest? and what will be the theme?

(enquiring minds, you know the drill....)
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20/07/2016 20:39:21

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Pick me! Pick me!
I'm almost ready to start. I'm planning to make a video to give a brief outline of the rules and an example, but might end up just writing up the rules and doing the video later.
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20/07/2016 22:26:14

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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cool! I'm looking forward to seeing the contest parameters and prize. I think a million dollars would be a great prize.
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20/07/2016 22:36:38

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
cool! I'm looking forward to seeing the contest parameters and prize. I think a million dollars would be a great prize.

A million dollars! That sounds like a reasonable prize. I'll just ask Trump for a small loan.
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21/07/2016 13:24:36

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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The next competition has started, you have until August 14th to enter:
http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=5813&MessageID=31781#post31781
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03/08/2016 17:57:45

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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I like these contests, and I hope they continue on a regular basis. It's interesting to see the usefulness of contests as a device for expediting the learning process. It's also interesting to see the observations the moguls make about the various videos.. they tend to notice and comment on the use of technique.

If we identified a skills scorecard and made it the advertised criteria for judgement, it would have several positive effects:

1) contributor/learners would consciously focus on including all the criteria in their projects, which would naturally push people into learning things they might not have approached otherwise

2) judging would be more empirical and less subjective

3) it would provide somewhat of a "to do" list for everyone who participates, which would make it easier to organize the project.

I'm not a mogul, so I wouldn't even know where to begin ... but I'm sure you all know what techniques and skills you consider to be essential to a good video. This is already getting long, so I'll start a new post for brainstorming ideas for such a list
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03/08/2016 18:18:59

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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BRAINSTORMING IDEAS FOR CONTEST SKILLSETS
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points (1 to 10) could be awarded for each element in the list, depending on whether it was used at all, or on how well it was used

COMPLIANCE (does the entry meet the contest rules? Long/short enough? correct theme?)

THE STORY (does it flow? make sense? use of metaphor, irony, etc? Is it funny? )

INNOVATION (is there something new here?)

ORIGINALITY (did author use ALL original content? (as opposed to incorporating the work of others)

IMPROVEMENT (is this a step up from the person's other work?)

LEGALITY (are all elements legal to use? public domain or royalty free? original content?)
  • music (cite license, public domain status or originality)
  • downloaded models
  • 2d graphics
  • other merged video

MODELLING (quality of models, attachments, textures etc created by the project author)

ATTACHMENTS (clever use of attachments, such as Ikes' chicken idea)

SET BUILDING (is set original? or downloaded? How cool is it?)

BACKGROUND MUSIC (does it add something? Or get in the way? Is it original? Do you have the rights to use it?)

TECHNIQUE (points awarded for each technique listed)
  • shading
  • keyframing
  • effective use of environment
  • merging elements from different sources
  • etc.. moguls really need to populate this list.. these are just idea joggers
EDITING (value added in video editor)
  • additional keyframing
  • green screen
  • use of 2d elements to simulate 3d environment
  • special effects (sub list here?)
  • color binding to make all merged elements look like they exist in the same world
  • etc.. moguls really need to populate this list.. these are just idea joggers

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edited by PatMarrNC on 03/08/2016
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03/08/2016 18:28:45

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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it would be useful to me to see how each judge graded such a list.. (a number for each item... ) on my projects.

When I'm learning, feedback like "ha ha that was good" doesn't tell me anything. An analysis of what I did right or could have done better is VERY helpful. ESPECIALLY if there is a number to gauge my need for improvement.

Anyway, all this is speculation, since no agreement has been made about the usefulness of the idea. I'm just brainstorming here.
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03/08/2016 19:02:03

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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That is a great list... for the Oscars Just making something that hangs together for it's duration is all we're really looking for here, along with effort. Anyway, bullet lists are for accountants, not artists - it's overthinking it to be so itemized, I would argue. Judging should be done based on your emotional reaction, not necessarily your rational reaction. I would argue.
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03/08/2016 19:02:05

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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PatMarrNC wrote:
it would be useful to me to see how each judge graded such a list.. (a number for each item... ) on my projects.

When I'm learning, feedback like "ha ha that was good" doesn't tell me anything. An analysis of what I did right or could have done better is VERY helpful. ESPECIALLY if there is a number to gauge my need for improvement.

Anyway, all this is speculation, since no agreement has been made about the usefulness of the idea. I'm just brainstorming here.

I like the idea of a feedback system for competition entries like you suggested. I'll see what I can do for the current one.
Maybe a future competition can be based on these points... if only there were someone to run it..... Pat?
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03/08/2016 19:48:45

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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MrDrWho13 wrote:

I like the idea of a feedback system for competition entries like you suggested. I'll see what I can do for the current one.
Maybe a future competition can be based on these points... if only there were someone to run it..... Pat?


I'm not a mogul, but if that's not a requirement, I'll be happy to sponsor a future contest and judge it by these criteria. I might even offer a cash prize, payable directly to paypal. (thanks to Rocque for that idea)

We might have to loosen up on the Mogul sponsorship anyway, since there's only a handful of them who regularly hang out here anymore. I think the contests do a good job of building a sense of community among those who do participate regularly.
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03/08/2016 19:56:05

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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ziggy72 wrote:
That is a great list... for the Oscars Just making something that hangs together for it's duration is all we're really looking for here, along with effort. Anyway, bullet lists are for accountants, not artists - it's overthinking it to be so itemized, I would argue. Judging should be done based on your emotional reaction, not necessarily your rational reaction. I would argue.


I agree that art is essentially valued by its ability to appeal to an audience in ways that can't be measured empirically.

But when it comes to software, proficiency is indeed measurable. That doesn't take anything away from the primary value... rather, it adds a new functionality to the mix.

IMO, part of the advantage of having different people sponsor the contests is to get a feel for how others approach (and evaluate) the creative process. Therefore, having different standards for each contest makes it interesting and challenging in a new way for each contest.

So , it makes sense for this to be an advance declaration of how my contest will be judged, and not a standard for anyone else to use. Thanks to MDW13 for suggesting that.
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10/08/2016 14:43:24

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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as the deadline for the current contest draws near... are any of the moguls planning the next one? If so, great! ... but if not, I want to sponsor a contest at some point.
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11/08/2016 08:51:54

fosforino
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Mi piacerebbe partecipare ad Una sfida senza premio.A patto che possano partecipare sopratutto i principianti, cioè persone che utilizzano Muvizu non una scopo commerciale (o almeno non ancora) poichè servirebbe per testare le proprie capacità ed autostimolarsi per migliorare le proprie competenze.
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11/08/2016 09:00:16

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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I think you're right, fosforino.
Either Pat's competition(unless your plan is already made, Pat), or the following one should be based on the free version.

Not sure how the prizes would work with that competition though.
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