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14/05/2016 07:37:59

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Well here it is everyone, part two to Alien Grey (Cow Abduction 2) His All mighty Leader Monar sends him back to Earth to bring back a cow so they can have Milk to go with those cookies, or he'll have to spend a whole year in the Lupnor minds.

Thanks to Classy Croc Productions for making the Alien Grey theme song.

thanks to Rocque for helping with the cow voices


Here is the video, enjoy

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14/05/2016 14:40:30

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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Wow Clayster, that was AWESOME! I think you've found your niche here! It really is reminiscent of the roadrunner/coyote videos from the 60s!

Your models are all so good, (LOVED the double-hammered-dog-whomper and each of the devices your alien character tried to use)

The final scene in which a compressed alien rolls past and leaves the carton of milk was somewhat unexpected but totally enjoyed!

I think it was a good decision to put subtitles for the alien's conversation... otherwise you'd have to make his voice more easily understood, which wouldn't be as funny.

Rocque's voice acting for the cows was also good, easy to understand and full of personality!.
There were a couple of comments made by the dog that I didn't understand, even after going back a couple of time to listen again.

I think the opening theme needs to be shorter, so I'll remove one verse. Better yet, maybe it would be good to have each verse used as two separate intros so you don't have to use the exact same one every time. If you ever make a full blown 30 minute compilation of Alien Grey toons, then the two verse version would make more sense, but in a 7 minute production, using 3 minutes for intro and outtro seems disproportionate to me. Since you tend to make a lot of short episodes, you definitely need a shorter intro theme. (I'm on it. )

Once again.... EXCELLENT job my friend.. and VERY entertaining! Keep up the good work!

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after a few more watches I have more comments.

I take it you're using HitFilm for the effects? Like the portals that open between universes? (Very cool). You have used a bunch of interesting effects in this, it will take me a while to wrap my head around what you're doing
edited by PatMarrNC on 14/05/2016
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14/05/2016 16:01:18

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Creepy little bugger, isn't he? And I've never seen an alien with a moustache before... It's good, but Pat's right, you would benefit from a bit of 'compression' to speed up the edits and titles a bit. Also, I would have sped up the footage of the Grey creeping up on the cows (at 2:30), since the Muvizu run cycle is a bit slow looking in this case.
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14/05/2016 16:25:04

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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in the interest of tightening up the intro (I'll have a shorter version to you sometime today) you can skip all the references to me if you want. You own the rights to the songs, so no explanation required. If you want to include a brief small font callout to my website in the final credits, that would be appreciated but certainly not necessary.

I think you are a REALLY talented guy, and I hope you take these original projects and develop them to the max. I can see you developing quite a following on Youtube or Facebook, to the point that you can sell ads and make money.

From the perspective of going from "really good amateur video" to "pretty good pro video" the last 10% of effort takes the longest. The old saying is "90% down, 90% to go..."

A lot of forums err on the side of praise to keep artists encouraged no matter what their level of accomplishment. This forum seems to be more focused on offering constructive criticism. There are advantages and disadvantages to that. Obviously it's more fun to read praise... but...

this forum has some real heavy hitters and the advice they have to offer could help you bridge that last "90%" a lot faster than trying to figure it out by yourself.

I'm in your corner Clayster... if there is ANYTHING I can do to help you overcome obstacles and find the success you wish for, just let me know.

From this point on, get in the habit of regarding criticism as guidance rather than as discouraging words. You have a great deal of potential, but all potential needs refinement in order to be fulfilled.

Write this date down. Its when the legend of Alien Grey began. ;-)
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14/05/2016 20:59:46

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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PatMarrNC wrote:
Wow Clayster, that was AWESOME! I think you've found your niche here! It really is reminiscent of the roadrunner/coyote videos from the 60s!

Your models are all so good, (LOVED the double-hammered-dog-whomper and each of the devices your alien character tried to use)

The final scene in which a compressed alien rolls past and leaves the carton of milk was somewhat unexpected but totally enjoyed!

I think it was a good decision to put subtitles for the alien's conversation... otherwise you'd have to make his voice more easily understood, which wouldn't be as funny.

Rocque's voice acting for the cows was also good, easy to understand and full of personality!.
There were a couple of comments made by the dog that I didn't understand, even after going back a couple of time to listen again.

I think the opening theme needs to be shorter, so I'll remove one verse. Better yet, maybe it would be good to have each verse used as two separate intros so you don't have to use the exact same one every time. If you ever make a full blown 30 minute compilation of Alien Grey toons, then the two verse version would make more sense, but in a 7 minute production, using 3 minutes for intro and outtro seems disproportionate to me. Since you tend to make a lot of short episodes, you definitely need a shorter intro theme. (I'm on it. )

Once again.... EXCELLENT job my friend.. and VERY entertaining! Keep up the good work!

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after a few more watches I have more comments.

I take it you're using HitFilm for the effects? Like the portals that open between universes? (Very cool). You have used a bunch of interesting effects in this, it will take me a while to wrap my head around what you're doing
edited by PatMarrNC on 14/05/2016

Thanks Patt, yes I am planing on doing 30 minute episodes, having the new version and the longer version will come in handy, and i will keep going on this Little guy, just hope he'll live through whats coming next....Lol!
edited by clayster2012 on 14/05/2016
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14/05/2016 21:04:29

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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ziggy72 wrote:
Creepy little bugger, isn't he? And I've never seen an alien with a moustache before... It's good, but Pat's right, you would benefit from a bit of 'compression' to speed up the edits and titles a bit. Also, I would have sped up the footage of the Grey creeping up on the cows (at 2:30), since the Muvizu run cycle is a bit slow looking in this case.


I agree to, but at the time I had to make an intro that would length up to the song, and to make a scene for each verse,but Patt is working on a shorter one to help me shorten the intro.
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16/05/2016 18:32:54

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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To let everyone know, I am selling "The Basher", it's that big hammer Contraption that alien grey whipped up to bash Spunk the dog, it contains two versions, one that's just a prop for scenery, and one that is in three peaces and put together with Key Frame animation so you can see how it really works, so if anyone would like a copy it is now available in the store, it will make a great addition to any cartoon that contains traps and gags.

here's picture

edited by clayster2012 on 16/05/2016
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17/05/2016 21:06:50

artpenMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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Great episode there clayster! love the intro too Cool
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18/05/2016 14:01:53

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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I just noticed the AlienGrey logo you created for the series! Very cool! You are getting positioned to merchandise the heck out of your series!

Speaking of which, I notice that both of your paid assets are being downloaded (bought) at about the same rate as the freebies. I was wondering how that would work. I'm guessing that there is a transaction fee taken out for each DL, and I hope Muvizu gets a cut... but even if you get a fraction of the asset price for each of those transactions, over time you stand to make some serious money!

I'm a little surprised that so many here are content to make videos that use other peoples' intellectual property... (spoofs of movies and TV shows, comedy skits, music videos of popular music etc) After all the work, they don't own any rights to the project, and basically the only reward is whatever attaboys they get. If anything, using other peoples' intellectual property in your videos could introduce legal liability! That's potentially worse than making NO money for your time... there's potential to LOSE money!

The talent here on the forum is enormous, and I hate to see it squandered. I suggest that more people should take time to build a proprietary identity for their work, complete with Logo, theme songs, transition music, pro script writing etc.

I hang out on other creativity-based software forums, and I know that there are lots of creative people out there who are really good at one piece of the project. There are music forums, writing forums, graphic arts forums, 3d modelling forums, video production forums, animation forums etc etc etc... and people on all of those forums are open to collaborations.

What makes Disney and other such producers top notch (besides their budget) is the fact that they have teams of talent to work with... not one bright star who does everything.

Just a thought for the back of everyone's thinking.
edited by PatMarrNC on 18/05/2016
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18/05/2016 14:32:16

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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one thing you might consider, Clayster, since you're already not that far from doing it... is to eliminate dialog completely and let all your gags be visual.

The upshot of doing so is that your video immediately becomes viable everywhere in the world. If you build a large internet fan base and sell ads, the ability to get EVERYBODY on the planet to hit your site (as opposed to english speakers) ... that opens up your potential into the billions.

A thought for the back of your mind....
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18/05/2016 16:14:03

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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PatMarrNC wrote:
I just noticed the AlienGrey logo you created for the series! Very cool! You are getting positioned to merchandise the heck out of your series!

Speaking of which, I notice that both of your paid assets are being downloaded (bought) at about the same rate as the freebies. I was wondering how that would work. I'm guessing that there is a transaction fee taken out for each DL, and I hope Muvizu gets a cut... but even if you get a fraction of the asset price for each of those transactions, over time you stand to make some serious money!

I'm a little surprised that so many here are content to make videos that use other peoples' intellectual property... (spoofs of movies and TV shows, comedy skits, music videos of popular music etc) After all the work, they don't own any rights to the project, and basically the only reward is whatever attaboys they get. If anything, using other peoples' intellectual property in your videos could introduce legal liability! That's potentially worse than making NO money for your time... there's potential to LOSE money!

The talent here on the forum is enormous, and I hate to see it squandered. I suggest that more people should take time to build a proprietary identity for their work, complete with Logo, theme songs, transition music, pro script writing etc.

I hang out on other creativity-based software forums, and I know that there are lots of creative people out there who are really good at one piece of the project. There are music forums, writing forums, graphic arts forums, 3d modelling forums, video production forums, animation forums etc etc etc... and people on all of those forums are open to collaborations.

What makes Disney and other such producers top notch (besides their budget) is the fact that they have teams of talent to work with... not one bright star who does everything.

Just a thought for the back of everyone's thinking.
edited by PatMarrNC on 18/05/2016


thanks Patt, yep the logo was inspired by my sister, I was sitting and watching her write words for her posters and love the way she did the letters, so i ask her to make me a logo for Alien grey, and I'll add the alien to the letter "I" when it was done I scanned it and then edit it with photo shop, made two versions one it's self, and one on a moon, for the way it works on selling in the store, they do charge a fee, not sure how much I really forgot, but I'm glad that they do take out their part, after all if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have muvizu.
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18/05/2016 16:19:42

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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PatMarrNC wrote:
one thing you might consider, Clayster, since you're already not that far from doing it... is to eliminate dialog completely and let all your gags be visual.

The upshot of doing so is that your video immediately becomes viable everywhere in the world. If you build a large internet fan base and sell ads, the ability to get EVERYBODY on the planet to hit your site (as opposed to english speakers) ... that opens up your potential into the billions.

A thought for the back of your mind....


thanks patt, I'll keep that in mind, also thanks for everything you do, your encouragements, your help in the themes, and for being a good friend.
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18/05/2016 16:21:13

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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artpen wrote:
Great episode there clayster! love the intro too Cool


Thanks for the kind words Artpen, Hey are you good at doing cartoon voices?
edited by clayster2012 on 18/05/2016
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18/05/2016 18:29:53

artpenMuvizu mogulExperimental user
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I can do Cartoon, yes

Let me know
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18/05/2016 19:19:17

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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WILL DO
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19/05/2016 05:15:58

Rocque
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PatMarrNC wrote:
one thing you might consider, Clayster, since you're already not that far from doing it... is to eliminate dialog completely and let all your gags be visual.

The upshot of doing so is that your video immediately becomes viable everywhere in the world. If you build a large internet fan base and sell ads, the ability to get EVERYBODY on the planet to hit your site (as opposed to english speakers) ... that opens up your potential into the billions.

A thought for the back of your mind....


Eliminate dialog? I can record voices much easier than making animations. Once Clayster gets famous for his Alien Grey series maybe my voice will be, too. Then all of us can eventually just do what we enjoy instead of needing to work to support it. We can all dream, right?
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19/05/2016 08:12:55

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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Rocque wrote:
PatMarrNC wrote:
one thing you might consider, Clayster, since you're already not that far from doing it... is to eliminate dialog completely and let all your gags be visual.

The upshot of doing so is that your video immediately becomes viable everywhere in the world. If you build a large internet fan base and sell ads, the ability to get EVERYBODY on the planet to hit your site (as opposed to english speakers) ... that opens up your potential into the billions.

A thought for the back of your mind....


Eliminate dialog? I can record voices much easier than making animations. Once Clayster gets famous for his Alien Grey series maybe my voice will be, too. Then all of us can eventually just do what we enjoy instead of needing to work to support it. We can all dream, right?


Yes Rocque we can dream, but dreams can also come true, and your voice will be known when ever this dose happen, I will call upon you again to help with the cows, by that time the cows will have a new look as well as Alien Grey, the more and more Ideas I get the more Alien Grey will grow, but I do need more people to help with voices if I'm going to proceed with AG, then I need more then just my voice, Right now I'm working on an episode Called ,,Houston..we'r not Alone", this time he going try to abduct Neal Armstrong while he's on the moon, yes I'm creating a lunar surface set, complete with the Lander, moon rover, creators and more, and I'm using 3D Milkshape to do it all only because its an easier and faster 3D program, and it's looking good so far.
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19/05/2016 14:37:23

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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Rocque, I want you to know that my quote from above wasn't meant to undermine future opportunities for you. I think that a female on an animation forum who is willing to do voice acting will have NO TROUBLE getting gigs! MOST scripts require dialog, there's no way around it.

In fact, if you are interested in voice acting, I can load you up with work myself!

However, The kind of stories Clayster is telling CAN be presented to audiences of any language because the images and themes are so universal. From the standpoint of marketing his videos, that is a significant thing to realize and actualize.

Don't underestimate Muvizu. An awful lot of people use it to make videos solely for the purpose of amusing their friends. The reward for all their work is a few laughs.

But you can make money with original video to which you own all the rights. And once you decide to make money, the next decision is how to maximize your audience. Once you add a line of dialog to a video, you effectively eliminate everybody on the planet who doesn't speak that language as a potential viewer.
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20/05/2016 03:28:06

Rocque
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Thanks Clayster and Pat for cheering me up. I was 1/2 joking and 1/2 serious about the dream thing.
It would be great to be able to voice act all day (as long as the voice holds up). I like my day job, but it highly lacks in creativity for the most part.

When I was a child I spent hours perfecting my Donald Duck, but I stopped using it, and have lost it. Drat.

Let me know when there is a script that you need a voice for. Eventually I would like to get a better system for recording, but for now it is basic mic and audacity. Audacity is the best though.

We can always use subtitles for the world. I love Anime and enjoy reading along while I listen to the Japanese, and I attempt to learn the theme songs (however not successfully).
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20/05/2016 05:21:47

clayster2012Muvizu mogul
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your welcome, and I'll let you know of any scripts, maybe I'll let you try out for a character In Finger Pistols Are dangerous, because thats going to be my next project, another episode of that, On funny you mention subtitles, I'll have a lot of that in the new Alien Grey episode.
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